Ban asian or chinese users?

[John D]

Anyone here ban IPs or hosting requests from asia / china?
I get a lot of requests that are from china, they totally waste my time as I know the "game" that most (Not a lot...) are playing..
They get free hosting and simply post it on forums as a "trophy" to show that they got the free account, they do this on a number of free hosts and totally waste the time of the host with setting up the account and sending the info.

I have had this abuse at my own site and have it in red, bold, large letters that chinese sites are not accepted because of the amount of abuse from users from there.

Anyone else have a problem with this?

John

[LP-Trel]

I find that Chinese users that are accepted at my service are both respectful and grateful as most hosts ban Chinese users. Banning Asians is not a policy I feel should be followed but, I do understand the reason for it and have done it before myself.

[KimmiKat]

One way would be to play it by ear as I seen on a couple of free hosts...

[LP-Trel]

One way would be to play it by ear as I seen on a couple of free hosts...

Some do but, how would you suggest they play it by ear when receiving literally thousands of requests per day? ;)

[JTY]

I wouldn't ban Asian countries, sure there are a few bad apples. Then again, there are some in every country.

[LP-Trel]

I wouldn't ban Asian countries, sure there are a few bad apples. Then again, there are some in every country.

I think the reason providers ban asians is that they are commonly not fluent in English. This can be a problem if the owner of the provider isn't patient with them as they try to speak English. Personally I have to give them credit for speaking more than one language, something I've yet to master myself. ;)

[JTY]

The language barrier is certainly a tough one. However, most will try pretty hard to bridge it.

[LP-Trel]

The language barrier is certainly a tough one. However, most will try pretty hard to bridge it.

Not in my experience. Most hosts seem to ignore users that don't speak English well. You can read their public forums for a good example of this.

[maxhest]

Not really a issue to me, if I get no spam/DDoS - I am fine with it.

[Plead]

This is quite a heavily discussed topic.

I accept Chinese users but only if their email to request hosting is fluent enough in my opinion, their site also has to be in English.

The thing about Chinese users is that they sign up to EVERY free webhosting. The logic behind this is "if its there, use it" - I guess trying to be resourceful but yes, it does waste the hosts time.

In my opinion, I don't think that any countries should be blocked and to just use your best judgement.

[LP-Trel]

This is quite a heavily discussed topic.

I accept Chinese users but only if their email to request hosting is fluent enough in my opinion, their site also has to be in English.

The thing about Chinese users is that they sign up to EVERY free webhosting. The logic behind this is "if its there, use it" - I guess trying to be resourceful but yes, it does waste the hosts time.

In my opinion, I don't think that any countries should be blocked and to just use your best judgement.

Your stance is more progressive than most. I agree with most of what you've said but, just remember that they are speaking more languages than you are. ;)

[Plead]

Your stance is more progressive than most. I agree with most of what you've said but, just remember that they are speaking more languages than you are. ;)

Yes, they are speaking more languages than me :p

Hell, they are probably even smarter than me.

You just have to remember though, this doesn't mean that they can't at least make some sort of decent effort to write a hosting request, I get requests like this:

"hi i request host free pls thx! ^^;;"

Sure they may not be able to speak English perfectly but they should at least make some sort of effort.

And yes, I do get requests from Chinese people who do make good requests, more power to them because they get good hosting :p

I hope that made sense lol :cartman:

[LP-Trel]

Put yourself in their shoes when designing your user interface or request system. It may be simply that they don't understand your system. I've had a hell of a time redesigning and reworking my systems to make them easier to navigate.

[Plead]

Put yourself in their shoes when designing your user interface or request system. It may be simply that they don't understand your system. I've had a hell of a time redesigning and reworking my systems to make them easier to navigate.
Speaking of that.

If you're getting an influx from international countries such as China and you don't accept Chinese sites, make sure that you have somewhere on your site saying that you don't accept Chinese sites written in Chinese lol :p

[LP-Trel]

Speaking of that.

If you're getting an influx from international countries such as China and you don't accept Chinese sites, make sure that you have somewhere on your site saying that you don't accept Chinese sites written in Chinese lol :p

I've actually seen services have that have had that sort of thing written on their websites in various languages. I found it funny they would go to all that trouble. :stickout:

[Plead]

For them, it is probably less trouble getting people to translate things like their Terms of Services than to deal with the people who can't read them or don't bother to read them (because it is too hard) and then cause problems for the host.

[LP-Trel]

For them, it is probably less trouble getting people to translate things like their Terms of Services than to deal with the people who can't read them or don't bother to read them (because it is too hard) and then cause problems for the host.

Well thats a given. I wish I still had a link or a copy of that page, it was hilarious how many languages they had translated, "We do not accept users from......." into.

[nick]

Just block the chinese ip blocks..be over with it :)

Seriously....Unless you specifically target chinese (and such) in your marketing schemes (however you make money) it's more trouble than it's worth to host them.

[LP-Trel]

Just block the chinese ip blocks..be over with it :)

Seriously....Unless you specifically target chinese (and such) in your marketing schemes (however you make money) it's more trouble than it's worth to host them.

Bah what a progressive attitude Nick. :pimp:

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Well I have noticed all of the porn that is uploaded on my image host is linked to THOUSANDS of chinese porno sites. It seems to be a giant industry over there. I have considered blocking all chinese ip addresses and probably will.

Jeff

[Plead]

Well I have noticed all of the porn that is uploaded on my image host is linked to THOUSANDS of chinese porno sites. It seems to be a giant industry over there. I have considered blocking all chinese ip addresses and probably will.

Jeff
I find the porn being linked to Dutch sites - that is .NL right?

[LP-Trel]

Well I have noticed all of the porn that is uploaded on my image host is linked to THOUSANDS of chinese porno sites. It seems to be a giant industry over there. I have considered blocking all chinese ip addresses and probably will.

Jeff

It may be a good idea if you keep getting those kind of things hotlinked. Yours seems to be a legitmate concern.

[Plead]

Oh and P.S - Porn is a giant industry everywhere, not just China :P

[Odd Fact]

Oh and P.S - Porn is a giant industry everywhere, not just China :PThat is true. It just seems lately more users from asia signing up to host porn and warez sites. It was a problem when WHT had free requests.

Maybe the asian users are finally expaneding into the porn industry or more paid host are not accepting porn accounts.

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Oh and P.S - Porn is a giant industry everywhere, not just China :P

Well I havent noticed any none asian porno being hotlinked off my image hosts to forums and such and I have terrminated atleast 30 accounts with more then 10,000 asian pics that where bring hotlinked. They also do it fast and my account usually trips the bandwidth limit on the account before I notice. I just never do more then 10 gigs at a time :) Works great!

Jeff

[Daniel]

I only had one account with chinese porn so far. It got deleted 5 minutes after he uploaded those pics. His luck i was checking the uploads then :) . Beside this i don't really get that much chinese traffic and i want to keep it this way.

On the free hosting part i got dozens of requests from chinese people. 99% of them got rejected. They don't even bother filling the forms correctly. I never thought of banning chinese ips though, although when i started i was getting lots of requests each day, most being from china.

[Raider]

Anyone here ban IPs or hosting requests from asia / china?

Nope, and no other problems so far :)

[John D]

I have had users from china uploading warez, have never had any porn uploaded though.
I always catch them very quickly and terminate the account without question.

I get a lot of people from china that seem to be very young, not because of their language skills, but just the way communicate. A lot seem immature by making requests like another user here posted. Again, that is not country specific, but I do notice that 99% of requests like that are from china.

I have made it clear that I do not accept chinese sites, yet a lot of chinese sites are linking to the request page and it is bringing in hundreds of requests that I just delete without reading - Even that is wasting too much time.
Time is something i don't have much of and I don't like spending it going through requests trying to work out what people are trying to say, I guess that is a problem on my half though.
I don't mind when they have an english site and try their best to request it though ;) I'm not totally heartless :D

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

They almost have a network. If one person finds an uploader that they can abuse they post it on the forums and more will come so be ware there comming!

Jeff

[John D]

That is exactly what I have been seeing Jeff.
There are a lot of sites created and they seem for that sole purpose.

I have a number in my own logs and actually had someone from china contact me and let me know what they were doing.

John

[Plead]

On a side note, this is a request that I just got, it is quite typical (on my join page it says give a good description on why you want hosting etc.)


I from china.
I want a free php+mysql space.
Please let me in!

[LP-Trel]

On a side note, this is a request that I just got, it is quite typical (on my join page it says give a good description on why you want hosting etc.)


I from china.
I want a free php+mysql space.
Please let me in!


That sort of request is why many providers ban Chinese visitors. Its a shame that so many are blocked because of the actions of so few. :bawling:

[Azn_Chic]

On a side note, this is a request that I just got, it is quite typical (on my join page it says give a good description on why you want hosting etc.)


I from china.
I want a free php+mysql space.
Please let me in!



So if I tried to sign up and said something like

"I am chinese. I want free php+mysql space. Please let me in!?"

You woud not allow me to sign up? I reside in California and if my english or grammar was bad, would you ban me for that reason? Or is this just a regional issue that people over there in Asia are just bad?

I agree thoug that it is a typical thing with people from overseas, not just asians, to be troublesome when it comes to resources, hacking, and other malicious use. Especially when it's free. But, "free" brings in the good and the bad. So you gotta roll with the punches right?

As for whether or not you should ban people from other countries I think is just general preference and if/whether or not you have the patience to keep up with the maintenance of operating a free resource i.e. banning ip's, dealing with spammers, etc...

[Mike_FWT]

So if I tried to sign up and said something like

"I am chinese. I want free php+mysql space. Please let me in!?"

You woud not allow me to sign up? I reside in California and if my english or grammar was bad, would you ban me for that reason? Or is this just a regional issue that people over there in Asia are just bad?

I agree thoug that it is a typical thing with people from overseas, not just asians, to be troublesome when it comes to resources, hacking, and other malicious use. Especially when it's free. But, "free" brings in the good and the bad. So you gotta roll with the punches right?

As for whether or not you should ban people from other countries I think is just general preference and if/whether or not you have the patience to keep up with the maintenance of operating a free resource i.e. banning ip's, dealing with spammers, etc...

I wasn't going to weigh in on this one, but Azn_Chic made a good point: you really shouldn't discriminate based on region or (and I'm sure nobody meant anything derogatory) race. If you consider yourself a free hosting company, in my opinion, you should indeed be willing "to role with the punches".

I just feel that from our own perspective, free hosting should be available to anyone with an Internet connection, period. Now, I realize that opens us up to the crazy folks around the Globe, and we've seen more than our fair share (I can assure you :eek: whew!, if you only knew...). That's unfortunate, but it shouldn't stop the overall benefit that we can provide the rest of the civilized world.

BTW, we've had plenty of Asian porn abusers too... we've just had to be vigilant in policing that unfortunate aspect of our system.

It's a challenge every day, but how else can we reach our desired audience without having to put up with the scammers, abusers and crazies? I'd like to know if someone can tell me.

[LP-Trel]

I havn't posted this arguement yet but, I think alot of the reason for banning Chinese users is the sheer amount of requests. If you take China as 1 country then they eat up ALOT of your requests based on that but, if you look at China as 1/5th of the world's population.. it isn't that bad. As for banning asian users in general, I think that has alot to do with the bad law enforcement of those nations when it comes to cyber crimes. It leads to a stigma that we are powerless to stop them should they do anything on our webservers.

Just my two cents though. :D

[NickJ]

I give anyone who requests hosting, hosting. I feel that if they want to show my service as a trophy, I should feel good about it.

[Azn_Chic]

To my understanding, the World Wide Web is a source for everyone and anyone (the good and the bad) to find and share resources and communicate with each other.

Although I understand where you're all coming from, banning an entire country just isn't right. What about India? There are a lot of capable/talented programmer, hackers, and what not from there who could do the same amount of damage just as others can. Shutting everyone out is not the way to go. For free hosting and things of that nature, it is only wise to manually do sign-ups. If it's too much of a hassle, then why did you even decide to offer a free service? Free doesn't mean low maintenance. Then again, free or paid doesn't mean low maintenance. Having to manually search files, ban IP's, track spamming and other TOS violators, is just life when it comes to having an online service.

[LP-Trel]

To my understanding, the World Wide Web is a source for everyone and anyone (the good and the bad) to find and share resources and communicate with each other.

Although I understand where you're all coming from, banning an entire country just isn't right. What about India? There are a lot of capable/talented programmer, hackers, and what not from there who could do the same amount of damage just as others can. Shutting everyone out is not the way to go. For free hosting and things of that nature, it is only wise to manually do sign-ups. If it's too much of a hassle, then why did you even decide to offer a free service? Free doesn't mean low maintenance. Then again, free or paid doesn't mean low maintenance. Having to manually search files, ban IP's, track spamming and other TOS violators, is just life when it comes to having an online service.

Think of the World Wide Web like a public street, when you're on it you can travel where you like. Now the problem is someone owns the little plots of space alongside the road so when you stop you're on someone else's property. The way I see it we offer private services on our own private server, we aren't restricting the internet so much as we're doing what we wish with our own private property. ;)

In reality the users in India and China will just have to realize that some services do not want their business sometimes due to the massive amount of signups from those countries and sometimes due to the fact that marketing demographic doesn't pay very well at all.

Just remember when you argue the point of banning parts of the world from services that these are privately held services that make their own rules because its their own private property. ;)

[Pricyber]

I have banned many Asian accounts based on personal experiences. Nothing against them, but things that may be legal on an asian hosted server are not necessarily legal on a server hosted in the United States. I have had many put up hacking and warez sites not realizing they couldn't do it. I just ban to cover my butt, that's all.

[Mike_FWT]

I have banned many Asian accounts based on personal experiences. Nothing against them, but things that may be legal on an asian hosted server are not necessarily legal on a server hosted in the United States. I have had many put up hacking and warez sites not realizing they couldn't do it. I just ban to cover my butt, that's all.

But you're only banning/removing selected sites, right? Not systematically nuking all Asian accounts? That was the issue of contention for me (and others I suspect).

We've of course removed offending sites (many Asian - Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc...) but not systematically just based on their country of origin.

Covering one's rear-end is the only way to go, my friend! :D

[Pricyber]

Since my encounter with so many incidents, I ended up changing my hosting policy altogether. I decided to host only established sites for free and of course, they could not contain illegal material or content. If an Asian site meets those requirements, I have no problem hosting them.

[7de5igns]

I've noticed that alot of Asian people used fraud information (names, addresses, etc.) when signing up for something. I've also noticed that many, when they are accepted, use the space to host porn, warez, "hacking stuff", and I've even seen them use the space to spam or DoS attack another server.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the Asian community as there is people from other countries that do the same as I've written above but not to the extant that some people from Asia do.

[freerackspace.org]

banning chinese users could be seen as racism and discrimination, so keep on your toes for some gold digging chinese person to sue you....however I dont know too much about the laws surrounding that.

[monoxide]

Treat them like any other person, just because they are a different race to you doesnt mean you should not accept them.

Be fair to other races including your own. They are just like any other person.

[freerackspace.org]

Treat them like any other person, just because they are a different race to you doesnt mean you should not accept them.

Be fair to other races including your own. They are just like any other person.

I think the reasoning is not to do with the race, but because a lot of free hosting fraud is from those countries. I would do it on a case by case basis. If your asian users are being good then dont ban, if you getting lots of fraud from there then ban those IP's. They could just use a proxy though....

[Alfarin]

What I did a long time back when I was involved with a free hosting company is that I check the application's IP address, as well as information provided. If their information seem fake, I denine it and blacklist the IP address from the application system. If their information seem good, but they didn't bother put in an effort in trying to write a decent application (I've even highlighted that they're welcome to write it in Chinese or whatever language they speak) then I denine it and leave the IP open. If they spam the application system, then their IP gets black listed. Eventually, I was IM'ed by a few Chinese people and they were quite pleased with our service. We had no problem with porn uploads or warez uploads because of all those screening process we do.

Oh, and by the way, I'm Chinese in Canada. But that doesn't make me any different than the people those of you are trying to ban here... because for all you know, I'm that poor english chinese man using a canadian proxy....

[freerackspace.org]

What I did a long time back when I was involved with a free hosting company is that I check the application's IP address, as well as information provided. If their information seem fake, I denine it and blacklist the IP address from the application system. If their information seem good, but they didn't bother put in an effort in trying to write a decent application (I've even highlighted that they're welcome to write it in Chinese or whatever language they speak) then I denine it and leave the IP open. If they spam the application system, then their IP gets black listed. Eventually, I was IM'ed by a few Chinese people and they were quite pleased with our service. We had no problem with porn uploads or warez uploads because of all those screening process we do.

Oh, and by the way, I'm Chinese in Canada. But that doesn't make me any different than the people those of you are trying to ban here... because for all you know, I'm that poor english chinese man using a canadian proxy....

very good advice, will do that with my own free biz :)

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Well Since I started 2 days ago I have had atleast 800 applications ( 250 Approved ) and abour 600 of them where chinese. Now considering I dont advertise any where which consists of mostly asian people I see how there little system works. Im basically down to if there country is asian there denied. Just a No BS policy really. Works good :)

Jeff

[freerackspace.org]

Well Since I started 2 days ago I have had atleast 800 applications ( 250 Approved ) and abour 600 of them where chinese. Now considering I dont advertise any where which consists of mostly asian people I see how there little system works. Im basically down to if there country is asian there denied. Just a No BS policy really. Works good :)

Jeff

how the heck did you get 800 signups in just two days without any advertising!?!?

[Azn_Chic]

how the heck did you get 800 signups in just two days without any advertising!?!?

I agree, how the heck did you get 800 signups in two days? :eek:

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Well No formal advertising (banners, buttons and links). I had put the link in the game rooms on zone.com (3 lobbies) which got me a little traffic and word of mouth spread I guess. I also see its been posted on ALOT of chinese Bulletin Boards which accounts for atleast 500 signups. Right now ive declined atleast 600 and have 320 people hosted. I really need to find a way to ban certain countries.

Jeff

[LP-Trel]

You guys obviously don't know how this works. ;)

There are alot of Chinese users that look for new meat (new free webhosting providers) and they will post them on forums hoping they are automatic signup. Usually this can grow up to 3000-7000 signups per day if you aren't careful.

Its interesting to say the least, you just need to be careful of these signups as alot of them are very very bad.. wait.. you're my competition!! Accept these signups as they are valuable users that will love your service.. :D

[Azn_Chic]

It all boils down to those nice MANUAL sign-up approval and account creations ? :)


You guys obviously don't know how this works. ;)

There are alot of Chinese users that look for new meat (new free webhosting providers) and they will post them on forums hoping they are automatic signup. Usually this can grow up to 3000-7000 signups per day if you aren't careful.

Its interesting to say the least, you just need to be careful of these signups as alot of them are very very bad.. wait.. you're my competition!! Accept these signups as they are valuable users that will love your service.. :D

[LP-Trel]

It all boils down to those nice MANUAL sign-up approval and account creations ? :)

That and banning all Asian nations. :)

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

I get about 3/1 ratio of Asian to American/Canadian/European signups. This is about 500/day and I have found out why. I looked in my Webalizer logs and my company has been posted on several Chinese hosting review sites. I figure I can stop it so I just deny the accounts even if they look alittle suspicious. I really just have a NO BS policy and it has worked well so far.

Jeff

[Alfarin]

I think when it all boils down, its just the no BS policy. Banning Asian countries isn't really necessairy until you get to a point where its 75% BS from Asian countries, 15% BS from North America, and 5% BS from Europe, leaving you with only 5% authentic signups... Hell, I'm sure none of us have ever seen a day like that :)

[Neil]

That and banning all Asian nations. :)
uhh i think thats kinda racist...

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Well knowing first hand I dont think its racist since 90% of problems come from asian signups. Also we are selling ads catering to english speaking people(most likly) so whats an ad impression on a chinese site going to do? Banner is just the easiest way and trust me when sorting through 5 k requests a day banner is great :)

Jeff

[LP-Trel]

uhh i think thats kinda racist...

How can it be racist.. did I say I was banning all Asian people? ;)

Get your facts straight! If you are from anywhere in Asia and live in Canada.. you won't be banned. :)

[Alfarin]

If you are from anywhere in Asia and live in Canada.. you won't be banned.
That's me!! Lemme go on MSN to piss you off to a point where you'll ban me from your server so I can come back and prove you wrong :P

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

I have a new level of low tolerance now that a spammer spamming a Chinese message has almost crippled my server :( Does any one know how to get removed from Spam cop :(:(

[LP-Trel]

I have a new level of low tolerance now that a spammer spamming a Chinese message has almost crippled my server :( Does any one know how to get removed from Spam cop :(:(

I think its just a matter of getting the spammer off of your server then following up on the reports. :)

[Xoopiter-Jeff]

Gone now and off spam cop :) Hopefully it won't happen again.

Jeff