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    Real nice post Brinks, lets sticky it....

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    Nice article bro.

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    Unlimited is not bad, period!

    Providers that manage unlimited hosting badly are bad. Period!

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    Back in 1998 I was selling hosting from a server in Rackshack (texas). The biggest plan I offered was 500MB of disk space. It was a huge plan, more space than most would ever need. But 15 years later people want 20GB for the site. Here is the really annoying thing. 15 years later 500MB is still more than enough for most people to run their site and have space left over.

    So what happened?

    Both providers and clients share the responsibility for the notion of unlimited.

    Providers in their race to get more customers were offering more for less. Prices were coming down and resources were going up. Eventually providers have little left to increase without being ridiculous, thus "Unlimited" was born and many use that to describe their service.

    Customers never really advanced through the years, most never really knew what they needed, fear drove them to unlimited. What if I buy 5GB disk space and it's not enough, what will I do? So when they saw Unlimited it solved their problem, now they did not need to worry about whether they had enough, they now had a never ending supply of resource, a bit like the unlimited petrol tank in their car!

    Anyway, the thing is that little in terms of usage has actually changed. So giving the client Unlimited is not in my view such a big deal. For the majority they will still not get beyond the 500MB they really need. Unlimited is just a comfort blanket for them, nothing more.

    The sensible providers will of course place limits:

    1. Thou shalt not use your unlimited disk as a storage device.
    2. Thou shalt not run x,y or z to the detriment of other users.
    3. etc...

    Now none of the restrictions are going to affect the basic site owner in any way, it just deters the abusers.

    So done well it's really ok.
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    So giving the client Unlimited is not in my view such a big deal. For the majority they will still not get beyond the 500MB they really need. Unlimited is just a comfort blanket for them, nothing more.
    not for me, unless one of your aup says,"you cannot host large files, videos for streaming, or use for backup service", or something like that, i'll continue to fill the unlimited space with lots of files :p As i did with one of unlimited web hosting provider, at the time they were issuing a lot of free one to two years unlimited web hosting coupon (US only), plus they featured shell access, which was very good. i ate their space almost 1TB just to store videos from adult site, haha... fortunately for me, i don't even know if they got their server security or admin, because my account was just no problemo til the promo time ends.
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    And thus you are the type of person I class as an abuser. The person that knows exactly how it works and looks for the lack of restrictions in order to store your porn collection, the epitimoe of a customer nobody wants.

    But my post was not about how you abuse it, it was about how it can be done corectly.
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    well you know me, we're old friends right? yes i am an abuser, but you know i only abused for what has been promised, so don't promise something unless you can make it, and i'm not the type of person like you mentioned who can be done just by false advertisement such as unlimited thing. but, again like you said, many people still prefer the "unlimited" word, right mate?

    not for me anyway, not that stupid.
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    It was not a personal dig, just a generalization of what a common abuser does which then causes unlimited to be taken in the wrong way. Yes, you're right, if providers do not make the effort to lock the obvious down then it's an open invitation to do what you pointed out.

    On WHT a few years back a few of us in the premium section tested the "early" attempts to offer unlimited by doing a similar thing to what you suggested, we just uploaded lots of Linux Iso's to the account and it crashed the server after a couple of hundred GB's.

    The point was not to cause harm, simply demonstrate what happens when you pitch it the wrong way.

    I get "Unlimited" texts on my phone, but the small print says if I send more than 3,000 a month they will restrict my service, but I rarely send more than a couple of hundred.
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    i just commented to "people prefer unlimited to comfort themselves". Unlimited for a few bucks was very interesting for me when i was new to webhosting, but now it doesn't. Things are more simple when you're still a noob and get more complicated when you know more about it. I, few weeks ago, wrote an article about this unlimited thing too in my blog, you're probably could visit and read and comment about my thoughts there. The point is there's no unlimited, don't do unlimited, unless you want people to abuse and test the server, just like me with porn video and you with Linux ISO.
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